From: (Colin Maycock) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 19:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mastwatch] Back to Back ?Mastings Status: O Hi All, Things are about to start flowering in Sepilok. I did a quick check on some of the Dipts that lead off our GF events (Shorea confusa and Dipterocarpus applanatus) and have flower buds on these. These are relatively rare species in Sepilok i.e. only 3 and 5 individual in our 160 Dipt plot - so it is hard to stage how big the event will be. I also have bud starting to develop on Shorea xanthophylla - stage they are tiny and can only be see when you are in the canopy. Last year we had about ~60% of the adult dipts flower i.e. 3253 trees of the 5549 in our 160 ha Dipterocarp plot flowered. We saw lots of variation in terms of the % individuals that flowered among the different species ranging from 0 % in Anisoptera costata up to 93% for Shorea multiflora. Colin From: (Ashton, Peter) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 06:25:11 -0400 Subject: [Mastwatch] Back to Back ?Mastings Status: O Hi Colin! Exciting: Keep me in the loop! Peter ________________________________________ From: mastwatch- [mastwatch-] On Behalf Of Colin Maycock [] Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 10:20 PM To: Subject: [Mastwatch] Back to Back ?Mastings Hi All, Things are about to start flowering in Sepilok. I did a quick check on some of the Dipts that lead off our GF events (Shorea confusa and Dipterocarpus applanatus) and have flower buds on these. These are relatively rare species in Sepilok i.e. only 3 and 5 individual in our 160 Dipt plot - so it is hard to stage how big the event will be. I also have bud starting to develop on Shorea xanthophylla - stage they are tiny and can only be see when you are in the canopy. Last year we had about ~60% of the adult dipts flower i.e. 3253 trees of the 5549 in our 160 ha Dipterocarp plot flowered. We saw lots of variation in terms of the % individuals that flowered among the different species ranging from 0 % in Anisoptera costata up to 93% for Shorea multiflora. Colin _______________________________________________ Mastwatch mailing list http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net From: (Andrew J. Marshall) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:45:41 +0700 Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung Status: O Hi everyone, A quick note from Gunung Palung. I was just Panti, our research station. It was a short trip, so I didn't do any focused pheno work myself (although our assistants are still doing monthly monitoring of stems in our plots). But I did notice that a several Shorea individuals (including, but not limited to, S. quadrinervis) were fruiting, along with a few other taxa that seem generally to restrict site to community-wide masts (e.g., Willughbeia, Diospyros, Dillenia, Whitfordiodendron). I'll let you know when we know more (assuming we are still collecting data- our park head has just ordered the site closed temporarily to deal with illegal logging in the site, which has already affected one of our long term plots). Cheers, Andy On Aug 6, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Colin Maycock wrote: > Hi All, > > Things are about to start flowering in Sepilok. I did a quick check on some of the Dipts that lead off our GF events (Shorea confusa and Dipterocarpus applanatus) and have flower buds on these. These are relatively rare species in Sepilok i.e. only 3 and 5 individual in our 160 Dipt plot - so it is hard to stage how big the event will be. > > I also have bud starting to develop on Shorea xanthophylla - stage they are tiny and can only be see when you are in the canopy. > > Last year we had about ~60% of the adult dipts flower i.e. 3253 trees of the 5549 in our 160 ha Dipterocarp plot flowered. We saw lots of variation in terms of the % individuals that flowered among the different species ranging from 0 % in Anisoptera costata up to 93% for Shorea multiflora. > > > Colin > _______________________________________________ > Mastwatch mailing list > > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Andrew J. Marshall Department of Anthropology Graduate Group in Ecology Animal Behavior Graduate Group One Shields Avenue University of California Davis, CA 95616-8522 216 Young Hall Phone: + 1-530-754-9699 Fax: +1-530-752-8885 Indonesia cell: +62-812-10459091 http://anthropology.ucdavis.edu/people/andrew-j.-marshall-1/andrew-j.-marshall http://ecology.ucdavis.edu/people/PersonalInfo.aspx?fld_ID=161 http://biosci3.ucdavis.edu/GradGroups/ANB/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From: (Serge Wich) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:23:46 +0200 Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung Status: O Hi everyone, Thanks Andy, good to hear about the mast. Here in the north of Sumatra we think we have a mast up in the far north on a new orangutan reintroduction site we just opened. We are collecting data there on phenology so with hindsight I hope we will be able to tell whether this was a true mast. In another area up in the hills 45 minutes from Medan in an old botanical garden there seems to be a mast as well, but we have no data from there, but when I visited many species were flowering. Unfortunately Andy and I share research sites and we have not been able to collect our regular phenology data in Ketambe so we have no info from there on the mast. A real loss, but the site was closed due to political reasons for a few months. I also have a question. With all the mast info from casual observations and phenology datasets I was wondering whether there is a sense in putting all of this in a database that is or is not spatially explicit and perhaps do some analyses on it. It would still be nice to understand more about masting and where it occurs and how synchronous it is over larger areas or what time-shifts are between areas. I have no idea how much data there are, but it might be something to try to do together? Cheers, Serge From: mastwatch- [mailto:mastwatch-] On Behalf Of Andrew J. Marshall Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:46 PM To: Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung Hi everyone, A quick note from Gunung Palung. I was just Panti, our research station. It was a short trip, so I didn't do any focused pheno work myself (although our assistants are still doing monthly monitoring of stems in our plots). But I did notice that a several Shorea individuals (including, but not limited to, S. quadrinervis) were fruiting, along with a few other taxa that seem generally to restrict site to community-wide masts (e.g., Willughbeia, Diospyros, Dillenia, Whitfordiodendron). I'll let you know when we know more (assuming we are still collecting data- our park head has just ordered the site closed temporarily to deal with illegal logging in the site, which has already affected one of our long term plots). Cheers, Andy On Aug 6, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Colin Maycock wrote: Hi All, Things are about to start flowering in Sepilok. I did a quick check on some of the Dipts that lead off our GF events (Shorea confusa and Dipterocarpus applanatus) and have flower buds on these. These are relatively rare species in Sepilok i.e. only 3 and 5 individual in our 160 Dipt plot - so it is hard to stage how big the event will be. I also have bud starting to develop on Shorea xanthophylla - stage they are tiny and can only be see when you are in the canopy. Last year we had about ~60% of the adult dipts flower i.e. 3253 trees of the 5549 in our 160 ha Dipterocarp plot flowered. We saw lots of variation in terms of the % individuals that flowered among the different species ranging from 0 % in Anisoptera costata up to 93% for Shorea multiflora. Colin _______________________________________________ Mastwatch mailing list http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Andrew J. Marshall Department of Anthropology Graduate Group in Ecology Animal Behavior Graduate Group One Shields Avenue University of California Davis, CA 95616-8522 216 Young Hall Phone: + 1-530-754-9699 Fax: +1-530-752-8885 Indonesia cell: +62-812-10459091 http://anthropology.ucdavis.edu/people/andrew-j.-marshall-1/andrew-j.-marsha ll http://ecology.ucdavis.edu/people/PersonalInfo.aspx?fld_ID=161 http://biosci3.ucdavis.edu/GradGroups/ANB/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From: (Noko KUZE) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 05:44:21 +0900 Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Valley <02f201cc5793$07a71060$16f53120$@com> Status: O Dear All Hello! I would like to inform mast around Borneo Rainforest Lodge (BRL) in Danum Valley Conservation Area, Sabah Malaysia. Last year, we had a huge mast fruiting (more than 70% of trees had fruiting, included Dipterocarpaceae and other families, e.g. Durio). In this year, fruiting is few compared with annual fruiting. However, I heard from my co-reseaher (Tomoyuki TAJIMA) who is in BRL now, that he observed a few flowering just now. He will go back to end of this month. Then he will tell more information to Colin and me. We have continue monthly fall fruit census still now as same as the paper (below). Kanamori T, Kuze N, Bernard H, Malim TP, Kohshima S. 2010. Feeding ecology of Bornean orangutans (Pongo pygmaeus morio) in Danum Valley, Sabah, Malaysia: a 3-year record including two mast fruitings. American Journal of Primatology 72:820-840. With Best Regards, Noko KUZE ====================================================== Noko KUZE E-mail: URL: http://www5f.biglobe.ne.jp/~nouko/profile_e.html Wildlife Research Center of Kyoto University, 2-24 Tanaka-Sekiden-cho, Sakyo, Kyoto, 606-8203, Japan URL: http://www.wrc.kyoto-u.ac.jp/en/index.html ====================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From?Serge Wich Date?Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:23:46 +0200 Subject?Re: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung > Hi everyone, > > > > Thanks Andy, good to hear about the mast. Here in the north of Sumatra we > think we have a mast up in the far north on a new orangutan reintroduction > site we just opened. We are collecting data there on phenology so with > hindsight I hope we will be able to tell whether this was a true mast. In > another area up in the hills 45 minutes from Medan in an old botanical > garden there seems to be a mast as well, but we have no data from there, but > when I visited many species were flowering. Unfortunately Andy and I share > research sites and we have not been able to collect our > regular phenology data in Ketambe so we have no info from there on the mast. > A real loss, but the site was closed due to political reasons for a few > months. > > > > I also have a question. With all the mast info from casual observations and > phenology datasets I was wondering whether there is a sense in putting all > of this in a database that is or is not spatially explicit and perhaps do > some analyses on it. It would still be nice to understand more about masting > and where it occurs and how synchronous it is over larger areas or what > time-shifts are between areas. I have no idea how much data there are, but > it might be something to try to do together? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Serge > > > > From: mastwatch- > [mailto:mastwatch-] On Behalf Of Andrew J. > Marshall > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:46 PM > To: > Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > A quick note from Gunung Palung. I was just Panti, > our research station. It was a short trip, so I didn't do any focused pheno > work myself (although our assistants are still doing monthly monitoring of > stems in our plots). But I did notice that a several Shorea individuals > (including, but not limited to, S. quadrinervis) were fruiting, along with a > few other taxa that seem generally to restrict site to > community-wide masts (e.g., Willughbeia, Diospyros, Dillenia, > Whitfordiodendron). I'll let you know when we know more (assuming we are > still collecting data- our park head has just ordered the site closed > temporarily to deal with illegal logging in the site, which has already > affected one of our long term plots). > > > > Cheers, > > Andy > > > > > > > > On Aug 6, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Colin Maycock wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > Things are about to start flowering in Sepilok. I did a quick check on some > of the Dipts that lead off our GF events (Shorea confusa and Dipterocarpus > applanatus) and have flower buds on these. These are relatively rare species > in Sepilok i.e. only 3 and 5 individual in our 160 Dipt plot - so it is hard > to stage how big the event will be. > > I also have bud starting to develop on Shorea xanthophylla - but at this > stage they are tiny and can only be see when you are in the canopy. > > Last year we had about ~60% of the adult dipts flower i.e. 3253 trees of the > 5549 in our 160 ha Dipterocarp plot flowered. We saw lots of variation in > terms of the % individuals that flowered among the different species ranging > from 0 % in Anisoptera costata up to 93% for Shorea multiflora. > > > Colin > _______________________________________________ > Mastwatch mailing list > > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net > > > > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > Andrew J. Marshall > > Department of Anthropology > Graduate Group in Ecology > Animal Behavior Graduate Group > > One Shields Avenue > University of California > Davis, CA 95616-8522 > > 216 Young Hall > Phone: + 1-530-754-9699 > Fax: +1-530-752-8885 > Indonesia cell: +62-812-10459091 > http://anthropology.ucdavis.edu/people/andrew-j.-marshall-1/andrew-j.-marsha > ll > http://ecology.ucdavis.edu/people/PersonalInfo.aspx?fld_ID=161 > http://biosci3.ucdavis.edu/GradGroups/ANB/ > > > From: (Ashton, Peter) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:17:02 -0400 Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung , <02f201cc5793$07a71060$16f53120$@com> Status: O Hi Serge, Bear in mind that free standing trees, in botanical gardens or even selectively logged forests, do tend to flower more frequently, that is outside mast years (see literature by Appanah, Yap, S.K., Ng, F.S.P. etc on experience from the Malaysian Forest Research Institute) Peter ________________________________________ From: mastwatch- [mastwatch-] On Behalf Of Serge Wich [] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 3:23 PM To: 'Andrew J. Marshall'; Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung Hi everyone, Thanks Andy, good to hear about the mast. Here in the north of Sumatra we think we have a mast up in the far north on a new orangutan reintroduction site we just opened. We are collecting data there on phenology so with hindsight I hope we will be able to tell whether this was a true mast. In another area up in the hills 45 minutes from Medan in an old botanical garden there seems to be a mast as well, but we have no data from there, but when I visited many species were flowering. Unfortunately Andy and I share research sites and we have not been able to collect our regular phenology data in Ketambe so we have no info from there on the mast. A real loss, but the site was closed due to political reasons for a few months. I also have a question. With all the mast info from casual observations and phenology datasets I was wondering whether there is a sense in putting all of this in a database that is or is not spatially explicit and perhaps do some analyses on it. It would still be nice to understand more about masting and where it occurs and how synchronous it is over larger areas or what time-shifts are between areas. I have no idea how much data there are, but it might be something to try to do together? Cheers, Serge From: mastwatch- [mailto:mastwatch-] On Behalf Of Andrew J. Marshall Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:46 PM To: Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung Hi everyone, A quick note from Gunung Palung. I was just Panti, our research station. It was a short trip, so I didn't do any focused pheno work myself (although our assistants are still doing monthly monitoring of stems in our plots). But I did notice that a several Shorea individuals (including, but not limited to, S. quadrinervis) were fruiting, along with a few other taxa that seem generally to restrict site to community-wide masts (e.g., Willughbeia, Diospyros, Dillenia, Whitfordiodendron). I'll let you know when we know more (assuming we are still collecting data- our park head has just ordered the site closed temporarily to deal with illegal logging in the site, which has already affected one of our long term plots). Cheers, Andy On Aug 6, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Colin Maycock wrote: Hi All, Things are about to start flowering in Sepilok. I did a quick check on some of the Dipts that lead off our GF events (Shorea confusa and Dipterocarpus applanatus) and have flower buds on these. These are relatively rare species in Sepilok i.e. only 3 and 5 individual in our 160 Dipt plot - so it is hard to stage how big the event will be. I also have bud starting to develop on Shorea xanthophylla - stage they are tiny and can only be see when you are in the canopy. Last year we had about ~60% of the adult dipts flower i.e. 3253 trees of the 5549 in our 160 ha Dipterocarp plot flowered. We saw lots of variation in terms of the % individuals that flowered among the different species ranging from 0 % in Anisoptera costata up to 93% for Shorea multiflora. Colin _______________________________________________ Mastwatch mailing list < http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Andrew J. Marshall Department of Anthropology Graduate Group in Ecology Animal Behavior Graduate Group One Shields Avenue University of California Davis, CA 95616-8522 216 Young Hall Phone: + 1-530-754-9699 Fax: +1-530-752-8885 Indonesia cell: +62-812-10459091 http://anthropology.ucdavis.edu/people/andrew-j.-marshall-1/andrew-j.-marshall http://ecology.ucdavis.edu/people/PersonalInfo.aspx?fld_ID=161 http://biosci3.ucdavis.edu/GradGroups/ANB/ From: (Colin Maycock) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 18:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mastwatch] Putting all of this in a database Status: O Hi Serge, Sorry about the blank posting before (and any multiple postings, that may.may not be coming) - my Yahoo account isn't getting on with the FRC internet system. I had meant to send the below. Hi Serge, I have almost 10 years of observations for the Dipts from Sepilok, and can probably get hold of data from Reuben Nilus (the Ecologist at Forest Research Centre, Sabah Forestry Department) for other sites in Sabah. We usually combine our observations/data for part of his section's annual report. Colin --- On Fri, 8/12/11, Colin Maycock wrote: > From: Colin Maycock > Subject: [Mastwatch] (no subject) > To: "" > Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 12:58 AM > > _______________________________________________ > Mastwatch mailing list > > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net > From: (Cam Webb) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:29:56 +0700 Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung <02f201cc5793$07a71060$16f53120$@com> Status: RO Dear Serge, All, > I also have a question. With all the mast info from casual observations > and phenology datasets I was wondering whether there is a sense in > putting all of this in a database that is or is not spatially explicit > and perhaps do some analyses on it. It would still be nice to understand > more about masting and where it occurs and how synchronous it is over > larger areas or what time-shifts are between areas. I have no idea how > much data there are, but it might be something to try to do together? To develop a common source of spatially explicit masting information was the reason we started mastwatch in ca. 2002. Mastwatch was originally a community editable database of observations (see below for original site: http://web.archive.org/web/20020903150112/http://www.phylodiversity.net/mastwatch/ http://web.archive.org/web/20020718025948/http://www.phylodiversity.net/mastwatch/mastobs.html ). A few observations were contributed, including a large dump of data from Shinya Numata's 2003 AJB paper, but mastwatch as a database wasn't a great solution for social reasons (not much fun to participate in!). In 2007, I switched it to this mailing list, and we have now accumulated a good set of observations over the past four and a half years (see http://lists.phylodiversity.net/pipermail/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net/ for the (public) list archives. An email is easier to contribute than formatted data, and more fun to read, but it is less likely that a free text email will contain complete information for an analysis. The other obvious problem with using these data for analysis is that the data points are very spatially skewed to sites where people have heard of this project, and have some incentive to contribute observations. A much better strategy for the future would be to identify 15-20 sites where there are people we know who are on email and are in the forest on a regular basis, and who would respond to a request for masting observations every 3-4 months. Anyone interested/have time to pursue this? All this said, it would be great if someone wanted to go back through the archives and wrangle the observations into a tabular format. Even if the patterns emerging were not that satisfying, someone could still write up a short paper with the data we do have simply to publicize the project and recruit more observers. Any other ideas on good ways to move forward with this project, other than in its current form, which I hope will continue for years more. And thanks to everyone for sharing their masting news. I for one really enjoy reading these live `forest news bulletins.' Best wishes from West Kalimantan, Cam From: (Serge Wich) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:57:46 +0200 Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung <02f201cc5793$07a71060$16f53120$@com> <2383AC9616501045BFDECAFAC29066A899B7192B42@FASXCH02.fasmail.priv> Status: RO Hi Peter, Thank you very much for reminding me of this point. A tricky point since quite a few forests have been impacted by logging to some extent. Best wishes, Serge -----Original Message----- From: Ashton, Peter [] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 7:17 PM To: Serge Wich; 'Andrew J. Marshall'; Subject: RE: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung Hi Serge, Bear in mind that free standing trees, in botanical gardens or even selectively logged forests, do tend to flower more frequently, that is outside mast years (see literature by Appanah, Yap, S.K., Ng, F.S.P. etc on experience from the Malaysian Forest Research Institute) Peter ________________________________________ From: mastwatch- [mastwatch-] On Behalf Of Serge Wich [] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 3:23 PM To: 'Andrew J. Marshall'; Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung Hi everyone, Thanks Andy, good to hear about the mast. Here in the north of Sumatra we think we have a mast up in the far north on a new orangutan reintroduction site we just opened. We are collecting data there on phenology so with hindsight I hope we will be able to tell whether this was a true mast. In another area up in the hills 45 minutes from Medan in an old botanical garden there seems to be a mast as well, but we have no data from there, but when I visited many species were flowering. Unfortunately Andy and I share research sites and we have not been able to collect our regular phenology data in Ketambe so we have no info from there on the mast. A real loss, but the site was closed due to political reasons for a few months. I also have a question. With all the mast info from casual observations and phenology datasets I was wondering whether there is a sense in putting all of this in a database that is or is not spatially explicit and perhaps do some analyses on it. It would still be nice to understand more about masting and where it occurs and how synchronous it is over larger areas or what time-shifts are between areas. I have no idea how much data there are, but it might be something to try to do together? Cheers, Serge From: mastwatch- [mailto:mastwatch-] On Behalf Of Andrew J. Marshall Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:46 PM To: Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung Hi everyone, A quick note from Gunung Palung. I was just Panti, our research station. It was a short trip, so I didn't do any focused pheno work myself (although our assistants are still doing monthly monitoring of stems in our plots). But I did notice that a several Shorea individuals (including, but not limited to, S. quadrinervis) were fruiting, along with a few other taxa that seem generally to restrict site to community-wide masts (e.g., Willughbeia, Diospyros, Dillenia, Whitfordiodendron). I'll let you know when we know more (assuming we are still collecting data- our park head has just ordered the site closed temporarily to deal with illegal logging in the site, which has already affected one of our long term plots). Cheers, Andy On Aug 6, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Colin Maycock wrote: Hi All, Things are about to start flowering in Sepilok. I did a quick check on some of the Dipts that lead off our GF events (Shorea confusa and Dipterocarpus applanatus) and have flower buds on these. These are relatively rare species in Sepilok i.e. only 3 and 5 individual in our 160 Dipt plot - so it is hard to stage how big the event will be. I also have bud starting to develop on Shorea xanthophylla - stage they are tiny and can only be see when you are in the canopy. Last year we had about ~60% of the adult dipts flower i.e. 3253 trees of the 5549 in our 160 ha Dipterocarp plot flowered. We saw lots of variation in terms of the % individuals that flowered among the different species ranging from 0 % in Anisoptera costata up to 93% for Shorea multiflora. Colin _______________________________________________ Mastwatch mailing list < > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Andrew J. Marshall Department of Anthropology Graduate Group in Ecology Animal Behavior Graduate Group One Shields Avenue University of California Davis, CA 95616-8522 216 Young Hall Phone: + 1-530-754-9699 Fax: +1-530-752-8885 Indonesia cell: +62-812-10459091 http://anthropology.ucdavis.edu/people/andrew-j.-marshall-1/andrew-j.-marsha ll http://ecology.ucdavis.edu/people/PersonalInfo.aspx?fld_ID=161 http://biosci3.ucdavis.edu/GradGroups/ANB/ From: (Serge Wich) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:05:19 +0200 Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung <02f201cc5793$07a71060$16f53120$@com> Status: RO Dear Cam et al, Thank you for the update on the history of mastwatch. Yoour points about the bias in the dataset are of course very true and we should certainly use caution when using these observations. But as you say it would be interesting to have them in a database. If we do that we can perhaps link it to published literature and perhaps combine them in a useful way. Not sure yet how, but it might be feasible. I could put things in a GIS layer if all people that have contributed data would simply let me know the coordinates of the area where they made the observations, the month and year and whether it was flowering or fruiting. This would be less detailed than the database form, contain some info that might be useful. If people would think they would be able to do this I can send out an excel file for this and then later on send some maps with the data on it per year or something. Then we can see if there is something in it for a short publication. At the same time we could add a column to the excel worksheet where people can add whether they are interested to receive the same datasheet every 3-4 months and then I can send it around every 3-4 months to those people. This would be a relatively small effort since the only thing one would have to do is copy down the line of the site and change the month and one per year the year and tick a box of whether there is masting flower or fruiting or not. We can add a comments column as well for people to add whatever extra info they have on genera and species that are masting. If data come in every 3-4 months I can make a new map and send it out to everyone so people get a nice update on where mast is and where there is no mast. If people like this idea please let me know. Once we have a few years of data we can see if we can make a more solid publication out of this in addition to perhaps a short report to warm people up for the project. Let me know what you think. Best wishes, Serge -----Original Message----- From: Cam Webb [] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:30 AM To: Serge Wich; Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung Dear Serge, All, > I also have a question. With all the mast info from casual observations > and phenology datasets I was wondering whether there is a sense in > putting all of this in a database that is or is not spatially explicit > and perhaps do some analyses on it. It would still be nice to understand > more about masting and where it occurs and how synchronous it is over > larger areas or what time-shifts are between areas. I have no idea how > much data there are, but it might be something to try to do together? To develop a common source of spatially explicit masting information was the reason we started mastwatch in ca. 2002. Mastwatch was originally a community editable database of observations (see below for original site: http://web.archive.org/web/20020903150112/http://www.phylodiversity.net/mast watch/ http://web.archive.org/web/20020718025948/http://www.phylodiversity.net/mast watch/mastobs.html ). A few observations were contributed, including a large dump of data from Shinya Numata's 2003 AJB paper, but mastwatch as a database wasn't a great solution for social reasons (not much fun to participate in!). In 2007, I switched it to this mailing list, and we have now accumulated a good set of observations over the past four and a half years (see http://lists.phylodiversity.net/pipermail/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net/ for the (public) list archives. An email is easier to contribute than formatted data, and more fun to read, but it is less likely that a free text email will contain complete information for an analysis. The other obvious problem with using these data for analysis is that the data points are very spatially skewed to sites where people have heard of this project, and have some incentive to contribute observations. A much better strategy for the future would be to identify 15-20 sites where there are people we know who are on email and are in the forest on a regular basis, and who would respond to a request for masting observations every 3-4 months. Anyone interested/have time to pursue this? All this said, it would be great if someone wanted to go back through the archives and wrangle the observations into a tabular format. Even if the patterns emerging were not that satisfying, someone could still write up a short paper with the data we do have simply to publicize the project and recruit more observers. Any other ideas on good ways to move forward with this project, other than in its current form, which I hope will continue for years more. And thanks to everyone for sharing their masting news. I for one really enjoy reading these live `forest news bulletins.' Best wishes from West Kalimantan, Cam From: (Marco Visser) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:26:42 +0200 Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung <02f201cc5793$07a71060$16f53120$@com> <001701cc5922$c874a6f0$595df4d0$@com> Status: RO Dear Cam, Serge and others, I am currently developing a tree demography data server in collaboration with the Smithsonian and Radboud University (Netherlands) to host phenology data. The server will offer the ability to upload data to a mysql database, and interactive data analyses to users (it could therefore in theory display maps on demand - if these maps can be translated to R-code). I am willing to offer some server space for a Mastwatch dataset along the lines you describe (including a page to display information on current general flowering events/ maps). There are quite a number of questions that could be answered if this data is uploaded frequently for a considerable amount of time. The beta testpage is up and running (http://tredd.science.ru.nl:8080). Please note that this page is under development and is far from its final form so please don't distribute the address beyond this list for now. Let me know if there is any interest, Marco Visser On 08/12/2011 09:05 PM, Serge Wich wrote: > Dear Cam et al, > > Thank you for the update on the history of mastwatch. Yoour points about the > bias in the dataset are of course very true and we should certainly use > caution when using these observations. But as you say it would be > interesting to have them in a database. If we do that we can perhaps link it > to published literature and perhaps combine them in a useful way. Not sure > yet how, but it might be feasible. I could put things in a GIS layer if all > people that have contributed data would simply let me know the coordinates > of the area where they made the observations, the month and year and whether > it was flowering or fruiting. This would be less detailed than the database > form, contain some info that might be useful. If people would > think they would be able to do this I can send out an excel file for this > and then later on send some maps with the data on it per year or something. > Then we can see if there is something in it for a short publication. > > At the same time we could add a column to the excel worksheet where people > can add whether they are interested to receive the same datasheet every 3-4 > months and then I can send it around every 3-4 months to those people. This > would be a relatively small effort since the only thing one would have to do > is copy down the line of the site and change the month and one per year the > year and tick a box of whether there is masting flower or fruiting or not. > > We can add a comments column as well for people to add whatever extra info > they have on genera and species that are masting. If data come in every 3-4 > months I can make a new map and send it out to everyone so people get a nice > update on where mast is and where there is no mast. If people like this idea > please let me know. Once we have a few years of data we can see if we can > make a more solid publication out of this in addition to perhaps a short > report to warm people up for the project. > > Let me know what you think. > > Best wishes, > > Serge > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cam Webb [] > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:30 AM > To: Serge Wich; > Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung > > Dear Serge, All, > >> I also have a question. With all the mast info from casual observations >> and phenology datasets I was wondering whether there is a sense in >> putting all of this in a database that is or is not spatially explicit >> and perhaps do some analyses on it. It would still be nice to understand >> more about masting and where it occurs and how synchronous it is over >> larger areas or what time-shifts are between areas. I have no idea how >> much data there are, but it might be something to try to do together? > To develop a common source of spatially explicit masting information was > the reason we started mastwatch in ca. 2002. Mastwatch was originally a > community editable database of observations (see below for original site: > > > http://web.archive.org/web/20020903150112/http://www.phylodiversity.net/mast > watch/ > > > http://web.archive.org/web/20020718025948/http://www.phylodiversity.net/mast > watch/mastobs.html > > ). A few observations were contributed, including a large dump of data > from Shinya Numata's 2003 AJB paper, but mastwatch as a database wasn't a > great solution for social reasons (not much fun to participate in!). In > 2007, I switched it to this mailing list, and we have now accumulated a > good set of observations over the past four and a half years (see > > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/pipermail/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net/ > > for the (public) list archives. An email is easier to contribute than > formatted data, and more fun to read, but it is less likely that a free > text email will contain complete information for an analysis. The other > obvious problem with using these data for analysis is that the data points > are very spatially skewed to sites where people have heard of this > project, and have some incentive to contribute observations. A much > better strategy for the future would be to identify 15-20 sites where > there are people we know who are on email and are in the forest on a > regular basis, and who would respond to a request for masting observations > every 3-4 months. Anyone interested/have time to pursue this? > > All this said, it would be great if someone wanted to go back through the > archives and wrangle the observations into a tabular format. Even if the > patterns emerging were not that satisfying, someone could still write up a > short paper with the data we do have simply to publicize the project and > recruit more observers. > > Any other ideas on good ways to move forward with this project, other > than in its current form, which I hope will continue for years more. And > thanks to everyone for sharing their masting news. I for one really enjoy > reading these live `forest news bulletins.' > > Best wishes from West Kalimantan, > > Cam > > > _______________________________________________ > Mastwatch mailing list > > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net From: (Colin Maycock) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung Status: RO Hi Cam/Marco/Serge and others I will contribute our Sepilok data/observation to any database and will discuss with Reuben about the other sites in Sabah his staff are monitoring. As part of the species management plan for the critically endangered dipts of Sabah - the department should be starting phenology observations in a few new site/reviving old sites e.g. for Dipterocarpus lamellatus - we will be reviving the phenology surveys in the Sianggau FR in Beuafort/Sipitang region in Western Sabah and also starting new phenology survey work in the Kampung Tambilidon recreation Park in Pitas (north Sabah) as this area has the only remaining viable population of Shorea kudatensis. I can post up a list of coordinates for sites that are being/will be regularly monitored by FRC/us and also the type/status of the forest. RE: The publication - why not try for a policy piece like Chris's last bit "Mass Fruiting in Borneo: A Missed Opportunity" http://www.ecology.ethz.ch/people/obass/ckettle/publications/2010/Kettle_2010_Science_MassFruiting.pdf Colin --- On Fri, 8/12/11, Marco Visser wrote: > From: Marco Visser > Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung > To: > Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 7:26 PM > Dear Cam, Serge and others, > > I am currently developing a tree demography data server in > collaboration with the Smithsonian and Radboud University > (Netherlands) to host phenology data. > > The server will offer the ability to upload data to a mysql > database, > and interactive data analyses to users (it could therefore > in theory display maps on demand - if these maps can be > translated to > R-code). > > I am willing to offer some server space for a Mastwatch > dataset along > the lines you describe (including a page to display > information > on current general flowering events/ maps).? There are > quite a number of > questions that could be answered if this data is uploaded > frequently > for a considerable amount of time. > > The beta testpage is up and running (http://tredd.science.ru.nl:8080). > Please note that this page is under development and is far > from its final > form so please don't distribute the address beyond this > list for now. > > Let me know if there is any interest, > > Marco Visser > > > > On 08/12/2011 09:05 PM, Serge Wich wrote: > > Dear Cam et al, > > > > Thank you for the update on the history of mastwatch. > Yoour points about the > > bias in the dataset are of course very true and we > should certainly use > > caution when using these observations. But as you say > it would be > > interesting to have them in a database. If we do that > we can perha From: (Colin Maycock) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mastwatch] Sepilok update Status: RO Sorry about the multiple posting before - Yahoo and the FRC internet are not always comptabile. We now have flowers developing on Shorea macroptera, Parashorea spp. (tomentella and malanonan) and also it looks like Dryobalanops lanceolata. In terms of non-dipts - we have various Canarium/Dacryoides starting to produce flowers, Madhuca spp. and Litsea spp. Colin --- On Fri, 8/12/11, Serge Wich wrote: > From: Serge Wich > Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung > To: "'Cam Webb'" , > Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 7:05 PM > Dear Cam et al, > > Thank you for the update on the history of mastwatch. Yoour > points about the > bias in the dataset are of course very true and we should > certainly use > caution when using these observations. But as you say it > would be > interesting to have them in a database. From: (Chuck Cannon) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 09:01:59 +0800 Subject: [Mastwatch] Database Status: RO Hi folks, The site described by Marco sounds like a good place for the legacy phenology data from GP, mostly published in 2007 Ecol Let. There is quite a bit of supplementary data as well, including crop size estimates etc. that have never been properly dealt with but are pretty decent data. Lisa Curran said she would share her Dipt phenology data from Ecol Monographs etc. so perhaps could prompt her to get involved (...is she part of this mailing list??) Also, while Xishuangbanna forests do not mast per se, we do have a few dipts and lots of generic overlap. There are Dipterocarpus fruits on the ground along the path to the office right now. There are a few small datasets collected by students and I am pretty sure the staff has an okay record of local things because they routinely collect seed. Maybe this is beyond the scope of this group but would seem to be nice to have observations of the same groups in a more seasonal environment. For publicity sake, a perspectives type article would be a good idea I think. It might bring some surprising resources out of the woodwork and increase the general scope of the people contributing observations. Chuck From: (Colin Maycock) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mastwatch] Database Status: RO Sorry about the blank email - Yahoo and FRC still aren't getting on I tried to send an email asking about how far back in time do we want to go. I am currently working thru - the Sabah Forestry departments research plot data - as part of my attempt to generate a database on Dipt distribution in Sabah for high resolution niche modeling/conservation assessment work. Some of the RP data are seedling recruitment and phenology studies from the 60s. Peter would have a better idea - but I assume similar sort of data would be available for Brunei and Sarawak. Colin --- On Sat, 8/13/11, Chuck Cannon wrote: > From: Chuck Cannon > Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Database > To: "Mastwatch" > Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 1:01 AM > Hi folks, > > The site described by Marco sounds like a good place for > the legacy > phenology data from GP, mostly published in 2007 Ecol > Let.? There is > quite a bit of supplementary data as well, including crop > size estimates > etc. that have never been properly dealt with but are > pretty decent > data.? Lisa Curran said she would share her Dipt > phenology data from > Ecol Monographs etc. so perhaps could prompt her to get > involved (...is > she part of this mailing list??) > > Also, while Xishuangbanna forests do not mast per se, we do > have a few > dipts and lots of generic overlap.? There are > Dipterocarpus fruits on > the ground along the path to the office right now.? > There are a few > small datasets collected by students and I am pretty sure > the staff has > an okay record of local things because they routinely > collect seed. > Maybe this is beyond the scope of this group but would seem > to be nice > to have observations of the same groups in a more seasonal > environment. > > For publicity sake, a perspectives type article would be a > good idea I > think.? It might bring some surprising resources out > of the woodwork and > increase the general scope of the people contributing > observations. > > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Mastwatch mailing list > > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net > From: (Andrew J. Marshall) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 09:14:19 +0700 Subject: [Mastwatch] Database <1313197319.2000.10.camel@chc2HP> Status: RO Hi everyone, We're also happy to share the more recent phenology data from GP (from Sept 2007-present). Cheers, Andy On Aug 13, 2011, at 8:01 AM, Chuck Cannon wrote: > Hi folks, > > The site described by Marco sounds like a good place for the legacy > phenology data from GP, mostly published in 2007 Ecol Let. There is > quite a bit of supplementary data as well, including crop size estimates > etc. that have never been properly dealt with but are pretty decent > data. Lisa Curran said she would share her Dipt phenology data from > Ecol Monographs etc. so perhaps could prompt her to get involved (...is > she part of this mailing list??) > > Also, while Xishuangbanna forests do not mast per se, we do have a few > dipts and lots of generic overlap. There are Dipterocarpus fruits on > the ground along the path to the office right now. There are a few > small datasets collected by students and I am pretty sure the staff has > an okay record of local things because they routinely collect seed. > Maybe this is beyond the scope of this group but would seem to be nice > to have observations of the same groups in a more seasonal environment. > > For publicity sake, a perspectives type article would be a good idea I > think. It might bring some surprising resources out of the woodwork and > increase the general scope of the people contributing observations. > > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Mastwatch mailing list > > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Andrew J. Marshall Department of Anthropology Graduate Group in Ecology Animal Behavior Graduate Group One Shields Avenue University of California Davis, CA 95616-8522 216 Young Hall Phone: + 1-530-754-9699 Fax: +1-530-752-8885 Indonesia cell: +62-812-10459091 http://anthropology.ucdavis.edu/people/andrew-j.-marshall-1/andrew-j.-marshall http://ecology.ucdavis.edu/people/PersonalInfo.aspx?fld_ID=161 http://biosci3.ucdavis.edu/GradGroups/ANB/ From: (Lord Cranbrook) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 09:37:55 +0100 Subject: [Mastwatch] Database Status: RO There is some ancient (and amateurish) information from 9 years observation in the Gombak valley, Selangor, see Medway, 1972. Biological Journal of the Linnean Society 4: 117 - 146. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Maycock" To: "Mastwatch" Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 2:25 AM Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Database Sorry about the blank email - Yahoo and FRC still aren't getting on I tried to send an email asking about how far back in time do we want to go. I am currently working thru - the Sabah Forestry departments research plot data - as part of my attempt to generate a database on Dipt distribution in Sabah for high resolution niche modeling/conservation assessment work. Some of the RP data are seedling recruitment and phenology studies from the 60s. Peter would have a better idea - but I assume similar sort of data would be available for Brunei and Sarawak. Colin --- On Sat, 8/13/11, Chuck Cannon wrote: > From: Chuck Cannon > Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Database > To: "Mastwatch" > Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 1:01 AM > Hi folks, > > The site described by Marco sounds like a good place for > the legacy > phenology data from GP, mostly published in 2007 Ecol > Let. There is > quite a bit of supplementary data as well, including crop > size estimates > etc. that have never been properly dealt with but are > pretty decent > data. Lisa Curran said she would share her Dipt > phenology data from > Ecol Monographs etc. so perhaps could prompt her to get > involved (...is > she part of this mailing list??) > > Also, while Xishuangbanna forests do not mast per se, we do > have a few > dipts and lots of generic overlap. There are > Dipterocarpus fruits on > the ground along the path to the office right now. > There are a few > small datasets collected by students and I am pretty sure > the staff has > an okay record of local things because they routinely > collect seed. > Maybe this is beyond the scope of this group but would seem > to be nice > to have observations of the same groups in a more seasonal > environment. > > For publicity sake, a perspectives type article would be a > good idea I > think. It might bring some surprising resources out > of the woodwork and > increase the general scope of the people contributing > observations. > > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Mastwatch mailing list > > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net > _______________________________________________ Mastwatch mailing list http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net From: (Ian McFadden) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:51:41 -0700 Subject: [Mastwatch] Database Status: RO Hello all, In terms of visualizing the data, what about creating a KML layer in Google Earth (or Maps) as SarVision did for Sumatran deforestation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDrAHRe2Stk http://www.sarvision.nl/index.php?page=regional-monitoring-systems I think it would be a great way to 'see' the phenology across space-time. Ian McFadden On Sat, Aug 13, :37 AM, Lord Cranbrook < > wrote: > There is some ancient (and amateurish) information from 9 years observation > in the Gombak valley, Selangor, see Medway, 1972. Biological Journal of the > Linnean Society 4: 117 - 146. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Maycock" < > > > > To: "Mastwatch" <**phylodiversity.net > > > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 2:25 AM > Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Database > > > > Sorry about the blank email - Yahoo and FRC still aren't getting on > > I tried to send an email asking about how far back in time do we want to > go. > > I am currently working thru - the Sabah Forestry departments research plot > data - as part of my attempt to generate a database on Dipt distribution in > Sabah for high resolution niche modeling/conservation assessment work. Some > of the RP data are seedling recruitment and phenology studies from the 60s. > > Peter would have a better idea - but I assume similar sort of data would be > available for Brunei and Sarawak. > > Colin > > > > > > --- On Sat, 8/13/11, Chuck Cannon wrote: > > From: Chuck Cannon >> Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Database >> To: "Mastwatch" <**phylodiversity.net >> > >> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 1:01 AM >> Hi folks, >> >> The site described by Marco sounds like a good place for >> the legacy >> phenology data from GP, mostly published in 2007 Ecol >> Let. There is >> quite a bit of supplementary data as well, including crop >> size estimates >> etc. that have never been properly dealt with but are >> pretty decent >> data. Lisa Curran said she would share her Dipt >> phenology data from >> Ecol Monographs etc. so perhaps could prompt her to get >> involved (...is >> she part of this mailing list??) >> >> Also, while Xishuangbanna forests do not mast per se, we do >> have a few >> dipts and lots of generic overlap. There are >> Dipterocarpus fruits on >> the ground along the path to the office right now. >> There are a few >> small datasets collected by students and I am pretty sure >> the staff has >> an okay record of local things because they routinely >> collect seed. >> Maybe this is beyond the scope of this group but would seem >> to be nice >> to have observations of the same groups in a more seasonal >> environment. >> >> For publicity sake, a perspectives type article would be a >> good idea I >> think. It might bring some surprising resources out >> of the woodwork and >> increase the general scope of the people contributing >> observations. >> >> Chuck >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Mastwatch mailing list >> **phylodiversity.net >> http://lists.phylodiversity.**net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-** >> phylodiversity.net >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > Mastwatch mailing list > **phylodiversity.net > http://lists.phylodiversity.**net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-** > phylodiversity.net > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Mastwatch mailing list > **phylodiversity.net > http://lists.phylodiversity.**net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-** > phylodiversity.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From: (Colin Maycock) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mastwatch] Database Status: RO Hi All, So there appears to be support for a database and some data available. I guess we need to start putting together a list of what is available and the spatial coverage of the data. I was just checking back thru the ATBC 2010 abstracts and see that Mariya Chechina and others have put together some of the historic datasets and then came across this http://mashachechina.weebly.com/datamethods.html. Does anyone know how many of these sites are still active (asides from LH, PAS, GPNP, BU) and can anyone add sites. We have a few sites to add for Sabah to this map. I am in the field from mid week, for 10 days, checking on the state of the forest reserves and what Dipterocarps remain in the Tawau region, but will start to collate what is available for Sabah after I come back. Colin --- On Sat, 8/13/11, Ian McFadden wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From: (Sakai Shoko) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:26:36 +0900 Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Hills Status: RO Hi everyone, Yuji Tokumoto, one of our colleagues now, sent me email about the status of Hills, Sarawak. He could not find a sign of flowering by observation from canopy walkways. We are still doing regular phenology observation, though we reduced the scale and frequency of the census recently. Shoko SAKAI From: (Ashton, Peter) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 05:42:54 -0400 Subject: [Mastwatch] Database <1313198716.26675.YahooMailClassic@web161919.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Status: RO Hi Colin, I am not aware that there are any consistent phenological data form Brunei or Sarawak, other than those from Lambir to which Shoko refers. Peter ________________________________________ From: mastwatch- [mastwatch-] On Behalf Of Colin Maycock [] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:25 PM To: Mastwatch Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Database Sorry about the blank email - Yahoo and FRC still aren't getting on I tried to send an email asking about how far back in time do we want to go. I am currently working thru - the Sabah Forestry departments research plot data - as part of my attempt to generate a database on Dipt distribution in Sabah for high resolution niche modeling/conservation assessment work. Some of the RP data are seedling recruitment and phenology studies from the 60s. Peter would have a better idea - but I assume similar sort of data would be available for Brunei and Sarawak. Colin --- On Sat, 8/13/11, Chuck Cannon wrote: > From: Chuck Cannon > Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Database > To: "Mastwatch" > Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 1:01 AM > Hi folks, > > The site described by Marco sounds like a good place for > the legacy > phenology data from GP, mostly published in 2007 Ecol > Let. There is > quite a bit of supplementary data as well, including crop > size estimates > etc. that have never been properly dealt with but are > pretty decent > data. Lisa Curran said she would share her Dipt > phenology data from > Ecol Monographs etc. so perhaps could prompt her to get > involved (...is > she part of this mailing list??) > > Also, while Xishuangbanna forests do not mast per se, we do > have a few > dipts and lots of generic overlap. There are > Dipterocarpus fruits on > the ground along the path to the office right now. > There are a few > small datasets collected by students and I am pretty sure > the staff has > an okay record of local things because they routinely > collect seed. > Maybe this is beyond the scope of this group but would seem > to be nice > to have observations of the same groups in a more seasonal > environment. > > For publicity sake, a perspectives type article would be a > good idea I > think. It might bring some surprising resources out > of the woodwork and > increase the general scope of the people contributing > observations. > > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Mastwatch mailing list > > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net > _______________________________________________ Mastwatch mailing list http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net From: (Serge Wich) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:50:36 +0200 Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung <4E457E72.8080109@science.ru.nl> Status: RO Dear Marco, Thank you for letting us know about this project. It looks very interesting. I would certainly think it would be great if data could be on this site and instant maps could be made. Let's try to hear from more of the mastwatch readers and then see if we can make up a usable excel sheet for people to enter data on or something else that would be useful to enter data in and that is very easy and quick. Best wishes, Serge -----Original Message----- From: mastwatch- [mailto:mastwatch-] On Behalf Of Marco Visser Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:27 PM To: Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung Dear Cam, Serge and others, I am currently developing a tree demography data server in collaboration with the Smithsonian and Radboud University (Netherlands) to host phenology data. The server will offer the ability to upload data to a mysql database, and interactive data analyses to users (it could therefore in theory display maps on demand - if these maps can be translated to R-code). I am willing to offer some server space for a Mastwatch dataset along the lines you describe (including a page to display information on current general flowering events/ maps). There are quite a number of questions that could be answered if this data is uploaded frequently for a considerable amount of time. The beta testpage is up and running (http://tredd.science.ru.nl:8080). Please note that this page is under development and is far from its final form so please don't distribute the address beyond this list for now. Let me know if there is any interest, Marco Visser On 08/12/2011 09:05 PM, Serge Wich wrote: > Dear Cam et al, > > Thank you for the update on the history of mastwatch. Yoour points about the > bias in the dataset are of course very true and we should certainly use > caution when using these observations. But as you say it would be > interesting to have them in a database. If we do that we can perhaps link it > to published literature and perhaps combine them in a useful way. Not sure > yet how, but it might be feasible. I could put things in a GIS layer if all > people that have contributed data would simply let me know the coordinates > of the area where they made the observations, the month and year and whether > it was flowering or fruiting. This would be less detailed than the database > form, contain some info that might be useful. If people would > think they would be able to do this I can send out an excel file for this > and then later on send some maps with the data on it per year or something. > Then we can see if there is something in it for a short publication. > > At the same time we could add a column to the excel worksheet where people > can add whether they are interested to receive the same datasheet every 3-4 > months and then I can send it around every 3-4 months to those people. This > would be a relatively small effort since the only thing one would have to do > is copy down the line of the site and change the month and one per year the > year and tick a box of whether there is masting flower or fruiting or not. > > We can add a comments column as well for people to add whatever extra info > they have on genera and species that are masting. If data come in every 3-4 > months I can make a new map and send it out to everyone so people get a nice > update on where mast is and where there is no mast. If people like this idea > please let me know. Once we have a few years of data we can see if we can > make a more solid publication out of this in addition to perhaps a short > report to warm people up for the project. > > Let me know what you think. > > Best wishes, > > Serge > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cam Webb [] > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:30 AM > To: Serge Wich; > Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung > > Dear Serge, All, > >> I also have a question. With all the mast info from casual observations >> and phenology datasets I was wondering whether there is a sense in >> putting all of this in a database that is or is not spatially explicit >> and perhaps do some analyses on it. It would still be nice to understand >> more about masting and where it occurs and how synchronous it is over >> larger areas or what time-shifts are between areas. I have no idea how >> much data there are, but it might be something to try to do together? > To develop a common source of spatially explicit masting information was > the reason we started mastwatch in ca. 2002. Mastwatch was originally a > community editable database of observations (see below for original site: > > > http://web.archive.org/web/20020903150112/http://www.phylodiversity.net/mast > watch/ > > > http://web.archive.org/web/20020718025948/http://www.phylodiversity.net/mast > watch/mastobs.html > > ). A few observations were contributed, including a large dump of data > from Shinya Numata's 2003 AJB paper, but mastwatch as a database wasn't a > great solution for social reasons (not much fun to participate in!). In > 2007, I switched it to this mailing list, and we have now accumulated a > good set of observations over the past four and a half years (see > > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/pipermail/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net/ > > for the (public) list archives. An email is easier to contribute than > formatted data, and more fun to read, but it is less likely that a free > text email will contain complete information for an analysis. The other > obvious problem with using these data for analysis is that the data points > are very spatially skewed to sites where people have heard of this > project, and have some incentive to contribute observations. A much > better strategy for the future would be to identify 15-20 sites where > there are people we know who are on email and are in the forest on a > regular basis, and who would respond to a request for masting observations > every 3-4 months. Anyone interested/have time to pursue this? > > All this said, it would be great if someone wanted to go back through the > archives and wrangle the observations into a tabular format. Even if the > patterns emerging were not that satisfying, someone could still write up a > short paper with the data we do have simply to publicize the project and > recruit more observers. > > Any other ideas on good ways to move forward with this project, other > than in its current form, which I hope will continue for years more. And > thanks to everyone for sharing their masting news. I for one really enjoy > reading these live `forest news bulletins.' > > Best wishes from West Kalimantan, > > Cam > > > _______________________________________________ > Mastwatch mailing list > > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net _______________________________________________ Mastwatch mailing list http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net From: (Francis Brearley) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:12:31 +0000 Subject: [Mastwatch] Barito Ulu data Status: RO Hi All, Just to let you know that phenology observations have been Ulu (my 2007 paper in Journal of Ecology presents data from 1990 to 2000). Although the data is not as good quality as there has been turnover of staff, it will be fine for assessing masting events. I haven't got round to entering all this new data as its still on paper!! In term of a publication, this would need to have wide and deep coverage within the region as I suspect this is where most of the 'hidden' data will be found - within local forestry offices etc. Best wishes, Francis ________________________________________ From: mastwatch- [mastwatch-] on behalf of Ashton, Peter [] Sent: 14 August 2011 10:42 To: Colin Maycock; Mastwatch Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Database Hi Colin, I am not aware that there are any consistent phenological data form Brunei or Sarawak, other than those from Lambir to which Shoko refers. Peter ________________________________________ From: mastwatch- [mastwatch-] On Behalf Of Colin Maycock [] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:25 PM To: Mastwatch Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Database Sorry about the blank email - Yahoo and FRC still aren't getting on I tried to send an email asking about how far back in time do we want to go. I am currently working thru - the Sabah Forestry departments research plot data - as part of my attempt to generate a database on Dipt distribution in Sabah for high resolution niche modeling/conservation assessment work. Some of the RP data are seedling recruitment and phenology studies from the 60s. Peter would have a better idea - but I assume similar sort of data would be available for Brunei and Sarawak. Colin --- On Sat, 8/13/11, Chuck Cannon wrote: > From: Chuck Cannon > Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Database > To: "Mastwatch" > Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 1:01 AM > Hi folks, > > The site described by Marco sounds like a good place for > the legacy > phenology data from GP, mostly published in 2007 Ecol > Let. There is > quite a bit of supplementary data as well, including crop > size estimates > etc. that have never been properly dealt with but are > pretty decent > data. Lisa Curran said she would share her Dipt > phenology data from > Ecol Monographs etc. so perhaps could prompt her to get > involved (...is > she part of this mailing list??) > > Also, while Xishuangbanna forests do not mast per se, we do > have a few > dipts and lots of generic overlap. There are > Dipterocarpus fruits on > the ground along the path to the office right now. > There are a few > small datasets collected by students and I am pretty sure > the staff has > an okay record of local things because they routinely > collect seed. > Maybe this is beyond the scope of this group but would seem > to be nice > to have observations of the same groups in a more seasonal > environment. > > For publicity sake, a perspectives type article would be a > good idea I > think. It might bring some surprising resources out > of the woodwork and > increase the general scope of the people contributing > observations. > > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Mastwatch mailing list > > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net > _______________________________________________ Mastwatch mailing list http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net _______________________________________________ Mastwatch mailing list http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should read the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer " From: (Lisa M. Curran) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 02:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung <02f201cc5793$07a71060$16f53120$@com> <001701cc5922$c874a6f0$595df4d0$@com> <4E457E72.8080109@science.ru.nl> <010801cc5b41$8cdbaaf0$a69300d0$@com> Status: RO Dear All, I have been monitoring phenology, biomass carbon betts outside gunung palumg with seedling measures fruitfall etc daily since 2004 w some matching measurements re gp. Peat meadures on all these same aspects also 2004- present too. My pheno in gp 1985-2002 is over but potentially able through students & NGOs I support to compile coordinate datasets depending on effort involved. My Asian travel is definitely limited now. Life hit hard. Let me know what questions & interests folks have in a collaborative effort. Best, Lisa Sent from my iPhone Lisa M. Curran Cell: 203-606-4513 On Aug 15, 2011, at 4:50 AM, "Serge Wich" wrote: > Dear Marco, > > Thank you for letting us know about this project. It looks very interesting. > I would certainly think it would be great if data could be on this site and > instant maps could be made. Let's try to hear from more of the mastwatch > readers and then see if we can make up a usable excel sheet for people to > enter data on or something else that would be useful to enter data in and > that is very easy and quick. > > Best wishes, > > Serge > > -----Original Message----- > From: mastwatch- > [mailto:mastwatch-] On Behalf Of Marco > Visser > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:27 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung > > Dear Cam, Serge and others, > > I am currently developing a tree demography data server in > collaboration with the Smithsonian and Radboud University > (Netherlands) to host phenology data. > > The server will offer the ability to upload data to a mysql database, > and interactive data analyses to users (it could therefore > in theory display maps on demand - if these maps can be translated to > R-code). > > I am willing to offer some server space for a Mastwatch dataset along > the lines you describe (including a page to display information > on current general flowering events/ maps). There are quite a number of > questions that could be answered if this data is uploaded frequently > for a considerable amount of time. > > The beta testpage is up and running (http://tredd.science.ru.nl:8080). > Please note that this page is under development and is far from its final > form so please don't distribute the address beyond this list for now. > > Let me know if there is any interest, > > Marco Visser > > > > On 08/12/2011 09:05 PM, Serge Wich wrote: >> Dear Cam et al, >> >> Thank you for the update on the history of mastwatch. Yoour points about > the >> bias in the dataset are of course very true and we should certainly use >> caution when using these observations. But as you say it would be >> interesting to have them in a database. If we do that we can perhaps link > it >> to published literature and perhaps combine them in a useful way. Not sure >> yet how, but it might be feasible. I could put things in a GIS layer if > all >> people that have contributed data would simply let me know the coordinates >> of the area where they made the observations, the month and year and > whether >> it was flowering or fruiting. This would be less detailed than the > database >> form, contain some info that might be useful. If people would >> think they would be able to do this I can send out an excel file for this >> and then later on send some maps with the data on it per year or > something. >> Then we can see if there is something in it for a short publication. >> >> At the same time we could add a column to the excel worksheet where people >> can add whether they are interested to receive the same datasheet every > 3-4 >> months and then I can send it around every 3-4 months to those people. > This >> would be a relatively small effort since the only thing one would have to > do >> is copy down the line of the site and change the month and one per year > the >> year and tick a box of whether there is masting flower or fruiting or not. >> >> We can add a comments column as well for people to add whatever extra info >> they have on genera and species that are masting. If data come in every > 3-4 >> months I can make a new map and send it out to everyone so people get a > nice >> update on where mast is and where there is no mast. If people like this > idea >> please let me know. Once we have a few years of data we can see if we can >> make a more solid publication out of this in addition to perhaps a short >> report to warm people up for the project. >> >> Let me know what you think. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Serge >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cam Webb [] >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:30 AM >> To: Serge Wich; >> Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung >> >> Dear Serge, All, >> >>> I also have a question. With all the mast info from casual observations >>> and phenology datasets I was wondering whether there is a sense in >>> putting all of this in a database that is or is not spatially explicit >>> and perhaps do some analyses on it. It would still be nice to understand >>> more about masting and where it occurs and how synchronous it is over >>> larger areas or what time-shifts are between areas. I have no idea how >>> much data there are, but it might be something to try to do together? >> To develop a common source of spatially explicit masting information was >> the reason we started mastwatch in ca. 2002. Mastwatch was originally a >> community editable database of observations (see below for original site: >> >> >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20020903150112/http://www.phylodiversity.net/mast >> watch/ >> >> >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20020718025948/http://www.phylodiversity.net/mast >> watch/mastobs.html >> >> ). A few observations were contributed, including a large dump of data >> from Shinya Numata's 2003 AJB paper, but mastwatch as a database wasn't a >> great solution for social reasons (not much fun to participate in!). In >> 2007, I switched it to this mailing list, and we have now accumulated a >> good set of observations over the past four and a half years (see >> >> > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/pipermail/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net/ >> >> for the (public) list archives. An email is easier to contribute than >> formatted data, and more fun to read, but it is less likely that a free >> text email will contain complete information for an analysis. The other >> obvious problem with using these data for analysis is that the data points >> are very spatially skewed to sites where people have heard of this >> project, and have some incentive to contribute observations. A much >> better strategy for the future would be to identify 15-20 sites where >> there are people we know who are on email and are in the forest on a >> regular basis, and who would respond to a request for masting observations >> every 3-4 months. Anyone interested/have time to pursue this? >> >> All this said, it would be great if someone wanted to go back through the >> archives and wrangle the observations into a tabular format. Even if the >> patterns emerging were not that satisfying, someone could still write up a >> short paper with the data we do have simply to publicize the project and >> recruit more observers. >> >> Any other ideas on good ways to move forward with this project, other >> than in its current form, which I hope will continue for years more. And >> thanks to everyone for sharing their masting news. I for one really enjoy >> reading these live `forest news bulletins.' >> >> Best wishes from West Kalimantan, >> >> Cam >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mastwatch mailing list >> >> http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net > > _______________________________________________ > Mastwatch mailing list > > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net > > _______________________________________________ > Mastwatch mailing list > > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net From: (Marco Visser) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:51:39 +0200 Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung <4E457E72.8080109@science.ru.nl> <010801cc5b41$8cdbaaf0$a69300d0$@com> Status: RO Dear Serge and others, What I can offer is a central location where users can report new masts, review previous masts and download recorded mast event data. As there seems to be interest in this I have therefore added some (crude) forms and code which showcase the functionality of the dataserver. Almost any type of data can be added it this way. http://tredd.science.ru.nl:8080 Eventually the server could therefore allow data entry directly on the webpage but to develop this further I will need the help of the list. There should be a consensus om what information is useful and needs to be recorded. Also what is feasible? Issues as data access and rights should also be discussed (basically should the data have complete open access?). Any ideas are welcome. I would also need some descriptive text on the mast-watch initiative (I have taken some text from the mailing list now) and maybe a relevant picture or two. When it is up and running also feel free to send me info on new publications relevant to tree demography and/or phenology and I will post it on the site. Sincerely, Marco Visser On 08/15/2011 01:50 PM, Serge Wich wrote: > Dear Marco, > > Thank you for letting us know about this project. It looks very interesting. > I would certainly think it would be great if data could be on this site and > instant maps could be made. Let's try to hear from more of the mastwatch > readers and then see if we can make up a usable excel sheet for people to > enter data on or something else that would be useful to enter data in and > that is very easy and quick. > > Best wishes, > > Serge > > -----Original Message----- > From: mastwatch- > [mailto:mastwatch-] On Behalf Of Marco > Visser > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:27 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung > > Dear Cam, Serge and others, > > I am currently developing a tree demography data server in > collaboration with the Smithsonian and Radboud University > (Netherlands) to host phenology data. > > The server will offer the ability to upload data to a mysql database, > and interactive data analyses to users (it could therefore > in theory display maps on demand - if these maps can be translated to > R-code). > > I am willing to offer some server space for a Mastwatch dataset along > the lines you describe (including a page to display information > on current general flowering events/ maps). There are quite a number of > questions that could be answered if this data is uploaded frequently > for a considerable amount of time. > > The beta testpage is up and running (http://tredd.science.ru.nl:8080). > Please note that this page is under development and is far from its final > form so please don't distribute the address beyond this list for now. > > Let me know if there is any interest, > > Marco Visser > > > > On 08/12/2011 09:05 PM, Serge Wich wrote: >> Dear Cam et al, >> >> Thank you for the update on the history of mastwatch. Yoour points about > the >> bias in the dataset are of course very true and we should certainly use >> caution when using these observations. But as you say it would be >> interesting to have them in a database. If we do that we can perhaps link > it >> to published literature and perhaps combine them in a useful way. Not sure >> yet how, but it might be feasible. I could put things in a GIS layer if > all >> people that have contributed data would simply let me know the coordinates >> of the area where they made the observations, the month and year and > whether >> it was flowering or fruiting. This would be less detailed than the > database >> form, contain some info that might be useful. If people would >> think they would be able to do this I can send out an excel file for this >> and then later on send some maps with the data on it per year or > something. >> Then we can see if there is something in it for a short publication. >> >> At the same time we could add a column to the excel worksheet where people >> can add whether they are interested to receive the same datasheet every > 3-4 >> months and then I can send it around every 3-4 months to those people. > This >> would be a relatively small effort since the only thing one would have to > do >> is copy down the line of the site and change the month and one per year > the >> year and tick a box of whether there is masting flower or fruiting or not. >> >> We can add a comments column as well for people to add whatever extra info >> they have on genera and species that are masting. If data come in every > 3-4 >> months I can make a new map and send it out to everyone so people get a > nice >> update on where mast is and where there is no mast. If people like this > idea >> please let me know. Once we have a few years of data we can see if we can >> make a more solid publication out of this in addition to perhaps a short >> report to warm people up for the project. >> >> Let me know what you think. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Serge >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cam Webb [] >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:30 AM >> To: Serge Wich; >> Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung >> >> Dear Serge, All, >> >>> I also have a question. With all the mast info from casual observations >>> and phenology datasets I was wondering whether there is a sense in >>> putting all of this in a database that is or is not spatially explicit >>> and perhaps do some analyses on it. It would still be nice to understand >>> more about masting and where it occurs and how synchronous it is over >>> larger areas or what time-shifts are between areas. I have no idea how >>> much data there are, but it might be something to try to do together? >> To develop a common source of spatially explicit masting information was >> the reason we started mastwatch in ca. 2002. Mastwatch was originally a >> community editable database of observations (see below for original site: >> >> >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20020903150112/http://www.phylodiversity.net/mast >> watch/ >> >> >> > http://web.archive.org/web/20020718025948/http://www.phylodiversity.net/mast >> watch/mastobs.html >> >> ). A few observations were contributed, including a large dump of data >> from Shinya Numata's 2003 AJB paper, but mastwatch as a database wasn't a >> great solution for social reasons (not much fun to participate in!). In >> 2007, I switched it to this mailing list, and we have now accumulated a >> good set of observations over the past four and a half years (see >> >> > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/pipermail/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net/ >> for the (public) list archives. An email is easier to contribute than >> formatted data, and more fun to read, but it is less likely that a free >> text email will contain complete information for an analysis. The other >> obvious problem with using these data for analysis is that the data points >> are very spatially skewed to sites where people have heard of this >> project, and have some incentive to contribute observations. A much >> better strategy for the future would be to identify 15-20 sites where >> there are people we know who are on email and are in the forest on a >> regular basis, and who would respond to a request for masting observations >> every 3-4 months. Anyone interested/have time to pursue this? >> >> All this said, it would be great if someone wanted to go back through the >> archives and wrangle the observations into a tabular format. Even if the >> patterns emerging were not that satisfying, someone could still write up a >> short paper with the data we do have simply to publicize the project and >> recruit more observers. >> >> Any other ideas on good ways to move forward with this project, other >> than in its current form, which I hope will continue for years more. And >> thanks to everyone for sharing their masting news. I for one really enjoy >> reading these live `forest news bulletins.' >> >> Best wishes from West Kalimantan, >> >> Cam >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mastwatch mailing list >> >> http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net > _______________________________________________ > Mastwatch mailing list > > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net > From: (Cam Webb) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:30:08 +0700 Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung <02f201cc5793$07a71060$16f53120$@com> <001701cc5922$c874a6f0$595df4d0$@com> <4E457E72.8080109@science.ru.nl> <010801cc5b41$8cdbaaf0$a69300d0$@com> Status: O Dear Serge, Marco, all, > Thank you for letting us know about this project. It looks very interesting. > I would certainly think it would be great if data could be on this site and > instant maps could be made. Marco, I agree. Thanks for the offer. > Let's try to hear from more of the mastwatch readers and then see if we > can make up a usable excel sheet for people to enter data on or > something else that would be useful to enter data in and that is very > easy and quick. Since there seems to be some momentum in this discussion and it would be great to keep it moving forward, I went ahead and made a Google Docs spreadsheet. I sent the link to all on this list (currently 62 active email addresses). Check your spam filter if you missed it. Since the archives of the list are public, I think it best to keep the URL of the data sheet private (i.e., spam-proof), but anyone can add another person to the list of editors. I populated it with some data from the earlier Mastwatch database. The fields are: - Date of observation (YYYY-MM-DD, use 1st of month for obs to month only) * - Area (Peninsular, Borneo, Sumatra, Philippines, Indochina) * - Location name - Longitude (d.ddddd) * - Latitude (d.ddddd) * - Elevation (m) * - Forest type (Montane, Hill, Alluvial, Swamp, Kerangas) * - Real mast event, apparently? (Yes,No) * - Estimated spatial extent of this reproductive activity (km) * - Flowering or Fruiting? * - Percent all trees (> 10 cm DBH) reproductive * - Percent dipterocarps (> 10 cm DBH) reproductive * - Estimated months until fruitfall * - Canopy trees: list reproductive genera (comma-delimited) - Smaller trees: list reproductive genera (comma-delimited) - Comments - Data owner (person name) - Data use license (http://creativecommons.org/ prob by-sa or by-nc-sa) * - Data enterer (person name) (The fields with * use basic data validation in the spreadsheet to keep the data formats consistent) This is just a suggestion for fields. Everyone will have an opinion as to other fields to add, and in the beginning, feel free to add additional fields to the spreadsheet, perhaps after a short discussion on this list. The goal should be to capture key observations without making the list of fields too long and onerous. Of course, we should really know what question we are asking first! Please do post short outlines of questions to be addressed with the data. A core aspect to agree upon first is what the fundamental data unit is that we are recording. I suggest that it is an abstract `state of the forest' at a particular place and time (i.e., not a per tree, or per species record). This is the thinking behind the DB I uploaded. Hope this is something we can work with. Best, Cam From: (Hock Keong LUA (NPARKS)) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:42:54 +0800 Subject: [Mastwatch] Observation data from Singapore <02f201cc5793$07a71060$16f53120$@com> <001701cc5922$c874a6f0$595df4d0$@com> <4E457E72.8080109@science.ru.nl> <010801cc5b41$8cdbaaf0$a69300d0$@com> Status: O Dear everyone, We have some very basic observation data of flowering and fruiting dipterocarps during the 2005 and 2009 events mainly from the tiny remnant forest areas in Singapore. Not very much compared to the huge forest areas in the region but hopefully worth a data point within the geographical area where masting occurs, as part of this common effort. We'll try to sort out the data and see how best to fit into the database. Cheers Hock Keong Lua Hock Keong ? Senior Biodiversity Officer ? National Biodiversity Centre ? National Parks Board ? Tel: +65 64651675 ? Fax: +65 64655196 Privileged/Confidential information may be contained in this message. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. Please notify the sender immediately if you receive this in error. ? Check out our ://www.nparks.gov.sg Content - Subject to Contract ? Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. -----Original Message----- From: mastwatch- [mailto:mastwatch-] On Behalf Of Cam Webb Sent: Wednesday, 17 August, 2011 5:30 PM To: Serge Wich; 'Marco Visser'; Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung Dear Serge, Marco, all, > Thank you for letting us know about this project. It looks very interesting. > I would certainly think it would be great if data could be on this site and > instant maps could be made. Marco, I agree. Thanks for the offer. > Let's try to hear from more of the mastwatch readers and then see if we > can make up a usable excel sheet for people to enter data on or > something else that would be useful to enter data in and that is very > easy and quick. Since there seems to be some momentum in this discussion and it would be great to keep it moving forward, I went ahead and made a Google Docs spreadsheet. I sent the link to all on this list (currently 62 active email addresses). Check your spam filter if you missed it. Since the archives of the list are public, I think it best to keep the URL of the data sheet private (i.e., spam-proof), but anyone can add another person to the list of editors. I populated it with some data from the earlier Mastwatch database. The fields are: - Date of observation (YYYY-MM-DD, use 1st of month for obs to month only) * - Area (Peninsular, Borneo, Sumatra, Philippines, Indochina) * - Location name - Longitude (d.ddddd) * - Latitude (d.ddddd) * - Elevation (m) * - Forest type (Montane, Hill, Alluvial, Swamp, Kerangas) * - Real mast event, apparently? (Yes,No) * - Estimated spatial extent of this reproductive activity (km) * - Flowering or Fruiting? * - Percent all trees (> 10 cm DBH) reproductive * - Percent dipterocarps (> 10 cm DBH) reproductive * - Estimated months until fruitfall * - Canopy trees: list reproductive genera (comma-delimited) - Smaller trees: list reproductive genera (comma-delimited) - Comments - Data owner (person name) - Data use license (http://creativecommons.org/ prob by-sa or by-nc-sa) * - Data enterer (person name) (The fields with * use basic data validation in the spreadsheet to keep the data formats consistent) This is just a suggestion for fields. Everyone will have an opinion as to other fields to add, and in the beginning, feel free to add additional fields to the spreadsheet, perhaps after a short discussion on this list. The goal should be to capture key observations without making the list of fields too long and onerous. Of course, we should really know what question we are asking first! Please do post short outlines of questions to be addressed with the data. A core aspect to agree upon first is what the fundamental data unit is that we are recording. I suggest that it is an abstract `state of the forest' at a particular place and time (i.e., not a per tree, or per species record). This is the thinking behind the DB I uploaded. Hope this is something we can work with. Best, Cam _______________________________________________ Mastwatch mailing list http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net From: (Chuck Cannon) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:13:02 +0800 Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung <02f201cc5793$07a71060$16f53120$@com> <001701cc5922$c874a6f0$595df4d0$@com> <4E457E72.8080109@science.ru.nl> <010801cc5b41$8cdbaaf0$a69300d0$@com> Status: O Hi everyone, > A core aspect to agree upon first is what the fundamental data unit is > that we are recording. I suggest that it is an abstract `state of the > forest' at a particular place and time (i.e., not a per tree, or per > species record). This is the thinking behind the DB I uploaded. I think Cam is right but it might be good to have different levels of detail. If someone makes a more casual observation about tree fruiting in one place, that would be the end of the record, but if the 'masting' observation is actually based upon tree-level data, it would be good to be able to 'zoom in' on that data as well. Of course, then a whole host of tricky questions open up but the group of people working on this tree-level data would be much smaller. Tim Obrien tried to get a group ecol synthesis center in santa barbara (blanking on the name now), perhaps we could use this opportunity to move forward on our own. These days, your funded are greatly improved if you have already done half the work! Chuck From: (Colin Maycock) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:18:50 +0800 Subject: [Mastwatch] Mastwatch database Status: RO Hi All, I agree with Chuck that tree-level data is important, both from a research and a conservation POV. I'm interested in finding out how many groups are monitoring species of conservation concern - as flowering/fruiting information is critical if we want to try to attempt to address Target 12 (improve the conservation status of endangered species) of the 2020 Aichii Biodiversity targets. My POV is that for the Dipterocarps and probably most other plant species of Borneo Target 12 is dead in the water. In terms of understanding Dipt reproductive biology - in Sepilok there is a small group species that regularly flower in a big way outside of GF - in particular Parashorea tomentella & P. malaanonan, Shorea xanthophylla and Dipterocarpus grandiflorus (although only Parashorea successfully recruits outside of GF). I'm not sure whether this is natural or a consequence of Sepilok being a fragment - so would be keen to see if this pattern is seen in other areas and whether it is more common in smaller reserves. I have just finished some brief surveys in the Tajong, Bukit Gemuk and Membalau forest reserves in Tawau - no dipts are flowering down there at this stage. We did manage to get lots of new records of dipts occurring on some of the soil association that haven't been well collected. Colin Sorry about the earlier blank email - I tried to send the above, but Yahoo and FRC internet are still not getting on. so am now trying my gmail account. From: (Cam Webb) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:09:00 +0700 Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung <02f201cc5793$07a71060$16f53120$@com> <001701cc5922$c874a6f0$595df4d0$@com> <4E457E72.8080109@science.ru.nl> <010801cc5b41$8cdbaaf0$a69300d0$@com> <1313741582.2044.36.camel@chc2HP> Status: O Hi Chuck, >> A core aspect to agree upon first is what the fundamental data unit is >> that we are recording. > > I think Cam is right but it might be good to have different levels of > detail. If someone makes a more casual observation about tree fruiting > in one place, that would be the end of the record, but if the 'masting' > observation is actually based upon tree-level data, it would be good to > be able to 'zoom in' on that data as well. I agree with the need for compiling multi-level observations. If you think this GoogleDoc is an appropriate way to collaborate, perhaps you could add needed column headings to a second sheet I just added on the shared spreadsheet: `Tree-level observations.' Best, Cam From: (Chuck Cannon) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:04:58 -0500 Subject: [Mastwatch] Mastwatch database Status: O Colin, > In terms of understanding Dipt reproductive biology - in Sepilok there > is a small group species that regularly flower in a big way outside of > GF - in particular Parashorea tomentella & P. malaanonan, Shorea > xanthophylla and Dipterocarpus grandiflorus (although only Parashorea > successfully recruits outside of GF). I'm not sure whether this is > natural or a consequence of Sepilok being a fragment - so would be > keen to see if this pattern is seen in other areas and whether it is > more common in smaller reserves. interesting, given that Parashorea [[Shorea? no, Parashorea? No! Shorea!]] is the one in China, where no GF occurs. Perhaps the one recruiting successfully in Sepilok outside of GF is a reinvasion of Borneo? There is a clear Indochinese Lithocarpus invader into Borneo. The dominant Dryobalanops around GP (D. beccarianus? I've forgot) always seemed gregarious and more frequently fruiting than other dipts but those are just casual observations. Their distribution was also patchy - completely absent from the western side of GP while being abundant north and to the east. Chuck From: (Chuck Cannon) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:16:44 -0500 Subject: [Mastwatch] Casual Palung <02f201cc5793$07a71060$16f53120$@com> <001701cc5922$c874a6f0$595df4d0$@com> <4E457E72.8080109@science.ru.nl> <010801cc5b41$8cdbaaf0$a69300d0$@com> <1313741582.2044.36.camel@chc2HP> Status: O now that I am out from behind the Great Firewall, I can access the docs site. I'll have a over the week. If anyone wants to beat me to it, I promise not to get angry! Chuck On Mon, 2011-08-:09 +0700, Cam Webb wrote: > Hi Chuck, > > >> A core aspect to agree upon first is what the fundamental data unit is > >> that we are recording. > > > > I think Cam is right but it might be good to have different levels of > > detail. If someone makes a more casual observation about tree fruiting > > in one place, that would be the end of the record, but if the 'masting' > > observation is actually based upon tree-level data, it would be good to > > be able to 'zoom in' on that data as well. > > I agree with the need for compiling multi-level observations. If you > think this GoogleDoc is an appropriate way to collaborate, perhaps you > could add needed column headings to a second sheet I just added on the > shared spreadsheet: `Tree-level observations.' > > Best, > > Cam > -- ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* www.ecologicalevolution.org Charles Cannon, Ph.D. ??? Professor of Ecological Evolution Chinese Academy of Sciences Xishuangbanna Tropical Botanic Garden 666303 Yunnan P.R. China tel +86.691.8717187 (Banna office) tel: +86.871.5160155 (Kunming office) fax +86.691.8715070 From: (Ashton, Peter) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:38:40 -0400 Subject: [Mastwatch] Mastwatch database <1314050698.4320.56.camel@chc2HP> Status: O Hi Chuck, You will be aware that molecular phylogenetics has shown that Sorea is not a natural genus (though there is no morphological or anatomical character to date which can distinguish the two clades separated by Hopea and Neobalanocarpus, so eventually some idiot will doubtless raise the sections). Parashorea is basal to all the red meranti sections, and unlike them several of its species extend to seasonal Indo-Burma, where they do not experience mass flowering. Dryobalanops on the other hand is fairly basal in the whole Shoreae clade, yet is confined to perhumid Sunda though Miocene fossil records are claimed for India. Yet Dr. aromatica is well known to flower out of mast years, and I have seen individuals of others do the same more often than most Sunda dipts (D. crinitus and S. multiflora, and the riparian species also do). I have not noticed S. xanthophylla, though. Peter ________________________________________ From: mastwatch- [mastwatch-] On Behalf Of Chuck Cannon [] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:04 PM To: Colin Maycock Cc: Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Mastwatch database Colin, > In terms of understanding Dipt reproductive biology - in Sepilok there > is a small group species that regularly flower in a big way outside of > GF - in particular Parashorea tomentella & P. malaanonan, Shorea > xanthophylla and Dipterocarpus grandiflorus (although only Parashorea > successfully recruits outside of GF). I'm not sure whether this is > natural or a consequence of Sepilok being a fragment - so would be > keen to see if this pattern is seen in other areas and whether it is > more common in smaller reserves. interesting, given that Parashorea [[Shorea? no, Parashorea? No! Shorea!]] is the one in China, where no GF occurs. Perhaps the one recruiting successfully in Sepilok outside of GF is a reinvasion of Borneo? There is a clear Indochinese Lithocarpus invader into Borneo. The dominant Dryobalanops around GP (D. beccarianus? I've forgot) always seemed gregarious and more frequently fruiting than other dipts but those are just casual observations. Their distribution was also patchy - completely absent from the western side of GP while being abundant north and to the east. Chuck _______________________________________________ Mastwatch mailing list http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net From: (Ferry Slik) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 05:56:18 +0000 Subject: [Mastwatch] Mastwatch database , <1314050698.4320.56.camel@chc2HP>, <2383AC9616501045BFDECAFAC29066A899B7192B69@FASXCH02.fasmail.priv> Status: O Dear Peter, Yes, that would make a nice project, plotting phenology and distribution of the species on a complete time calibrated Dipterocarp phylogeny! Has anyone attempted that already? Regards, Ferry Slik Professor Plant Geography Lab ?????????????? Xishuangbanna Tropical Botanical Garden Chinese Academy of Sciences Menglun, Mengla, Yunnan 666303, China Tel. +86-15924688380 Website http://www.phylodiversity.net/fslik/ Plants of Southeast Asia http://www.asianplant.net Trees of Sungai Wain http://www.nationaalherbarium.nl/Sungaiwain/ Asian plant species synonym website http://www.phylodiversity.net/fslik/synonym_lookup.htm Macaranga and Mallotus of Borneo http://www.nationaalherbarium.nl/MacMalBorneo/index.htm > From: > To: ; > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:38:40 -0400 > CC: > Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Mastwatch database > > Hi Chuck, > > You will be aware that molecular phylogenetics has shown that Sorea is not a natural genus (though there is no morphological or anatomical character to date which can distinguish the two clades separated by Hopea and Neobalanocarpus, so eventually some idiot will doubtless raise the sections). Parashorea is basal to all the red meranti sections, and unlike them several of its species extend to seasonal Indo-Burma, where they do not experience mass flowering. Dryobalanops on the other hand is fairly basal in the whole Shoreae clade, yet is confined to perhumid Sunda though Miocene fossil records are claimed for India. Yet Dr. aromatica is well known to flower out of mast years, and I have seen individuals of others do the same more often than most Sunda dipts (D. crinitus and S. multiflora, and the riparian species also do). I have not noticed S. xanthophylla, though. > > Peter > ________________________________________ > From: mastwatch- [mastwatch-] On Behalf Of Chuck Cannon [] > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:04 PM > To: Colin Maycock > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Mastwatch database > > Colin, > > > In terms of understanding Dipt reproductive biology - in Sepilok there > > is a small group species that regularly flower in a big way outside of > > GF - in particular Parashorea tomentella & P. malaanonan, Shorea > > xanthophylla and Dipterocarpus grandiflorus (although only Parashorea > > successfully recruits outside of GF). I'm not sure whether this is > > natural or a consequence of Sepilok being a fragment - so would be > > keen to see if this pattern is seen in other areas and whether it is > > more common in smaller reserves. > > interesting, given that Parashorea [[Shorea? no, Parashorea? No! > Shorea!]] is the one in China, where no GF occurs. Perhaps the one > recruiting successfully in Sepilok outside of GF is a reinvasion of > Borneo? There is a clear Indochinese Lithocarpus invader into Borneo. > > The dominant Dryobalanops around GP (D. beccarianus? I've forgot) always > seemed gregarious and more frequently fruiting than other dipts but > those are just casual observations. Their distribution was also patchy > - completely absent from the western side of GP while being abundant > north and to the east. > > Chuck > > > _______________________________________________ > Mastwatch mailing list > > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net > _______________________________________________ > Mastwatch mailing list > > http://lists.phylodiversity.net/listinfo.cgi/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From: (Chuck Cannon) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:26:25 -0500 Subject: [Mastwatch] Mastwatch database ,,<1314050698.4320.56.camel@chc2HP> ,<2383AC9616501045BFDECAFAC29066A899B7192B69@FASXCH02.fasmail.priv> Status: O Hello Peter et al. I don't know if everyone wants to be a part of this discussion but it does seem like a topic with pursuing. The phenology data will be somewhat soft but putting it in a phylogenetic framework would be useful. Testing an evolutionary hypothesis about the transition towards a mast fruiting behavior in the dipts (if that is the direction) would be insightful and possibly the kind of thing that this data could be used for. I would also warn that I think the behavior is probably pretty flexible and that reproductive behavior in these trees is probably quite complicated and variable through time and location. All the best, Chuck